Comments on: Twitter, privacy, and informational self-determination http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/ A web log about web development and internet culture with frequent detours into other stuff. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tiffanybbrown http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-91366 tiffanybbrown Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:33:29 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91366 There ... now no one will ever know about the triplicate hiccup There … now no one will ever know about the triplicate hiccup

]]> By: tiffanybbrown http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93491 tiffanybbrown Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:33:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93491 There ... now no one will ever know about the triplicate hiccup There … now no one will ever know about the triplicate hiccup

]]> By: misterjt http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-91365 misterjt Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:59:12 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91365 Ha. It ain't my fault. Ha. It ain't my fault.

]]> By: misterjt http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93490 misterjt Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:59:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93490 Ha. It ain't my fault. Ha. It ain't my fault.

]]> By: jbrotherlove http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-91361 jbrotherlove Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:36:53 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91361 We get it, Jason. We get it, Jason.

]]> By: jbrotherlove http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93489 jbrotherlove Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:36:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93489 We get it, Jason. We get it, Jason.

]]> By: cecily http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-91357 cecily Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:52:44 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91357 It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos. (I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.) Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't. It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow. It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos.

(I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.)

Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't.

It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow.

]]> By: cecily http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-91358 cecily Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:52:44 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91358 It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos. (I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.) Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't. It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow. It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos.

(I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.)

Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't.

It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow.

]]> By: cecily http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93487 cecily Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:52:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93487 It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos. (I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.) Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't. It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow. It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos.

(I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.)

Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't.

It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow.

]]> By: cecily http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93488 cecily Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:52:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93488 It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos. (I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.) Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't. It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow. It has happened to me, what with some of the photos of me at SXSW that have been posted recently. Once I got over the initial feelings of discomfort, I came to terms with the fact that my friends and I live online lives, and that my friends didn't mean any harm by posting those photos.

(I know you didn't mean me specifically, but I felt the anecdote applied here.)

Would I be OK with it? I would hope that the person who took offence (CDN spelling) would have the stones to step up and say why they were offended and give me the opportunity to make amends. That's how friendships should work, although I know they often don't.

It seems to me that there's a real disconnect between personal relationships, the seemingly impersonal nature of the tools we're using to foster and document these relationships, and the rules of behaviour we should follow.

]]> By: tiffanybbrown http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-1/#comment-91351 tiffanybbrown Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:47:03 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91351 "I would do it within my power because I'm your friend, but what's my incentive for not doing it to someone else?" I think that's the key here. You probably don't have access to protected items if you're not a in person's online network -- a friend to some degree. So what <i>real world relationships</i> are you damaging by resharing? And are you okay with that? Will you still be okay with that if it happened to you? (And I don't mean you, specifically.) "I would do it within my power because I'm your friend, but what's my incentive for not doing it to someone else?"

I think that's the key here. You probably don't have access to protected items if you're not a in person's online network — a friend to some degree. So what real world relationships are you damaging by resharing? And are you okay with that? Will you still be okay with that if it happened to you? (And I don't mean you, specifically.)

]]> By: tiffanybbrown http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-2/#comment-93482 tiffanybbrown Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:47:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93482 "I would do it within my power because I'm your friend, but what's my incentive for not doing it to someone else?" I think that's the key here. You probably don't have access to protected items if you're not a in person's online network -- a friend to some degree. So what <i>real world relationships</i> are you damaging by resharing? And are you okay with that? Will you still be okay with that if it happened to you? (And I don't mean you, specifically.) "I would do it within my power because I'm your friend, but what's my incentive for not doing it to someone else?"

I think that's the key here. You probably don't have access to protected items if you're not a in person's online network — a friend to some degree. So what real world relationships are you damaging by resharing? And are you okay with that? Will you still be okay with that if it happened to you? (And I don't mean you, specifically.)

]]> By: misterjt http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-1/#comment-91356 misterjt Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:20:19 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91356 Let's also remember that much of flickr's toolset came not out of a desire to protect privacy but out of a desire to protect usage rights and then -- post-yahoo deal -- out of a desire to moderate the community and provide the "safest" space for the widest ranges of users. The family and friends settings help with moderation. The creative commons integration helps with licensing. And, flickr users often alter the usage of the "privacy" settings. Teens and college students who actually have a sense of modesty, often use the family setting for "friends" and keep their most salacious photos, and even then, I think it's less a concern about re-use or re-appearing elsewhere. It's about wanting to share their flickr account with their parents without fear of the drunk party pics accidentally showing up in that space. Flickr does a pretty good job in both spaces though but I think the concept of photos as IP is much stronger than treating conversational text as such. Nobody thinks about licensing in regards to individual tweets. Let's also remember that much of flickr's toolset came not out of a desire to protect privacy but out of a desire to protect usage rights and then — post-yahoo deal — out of a desire to moderate the community and provide the "safest" space for the widest ranges of users. The family and friends settings help with moderation. The creative commons integration helps with licensing. And, flickr users often alter the usage of the "privacy" settings. Teens and college students who actually have a sense of modesty, often use the family setting for "friends" and keep their most salacious photos, and even then, I think it's less a concern about re-use or re-appearing elsewhere. It's about wanting to share their flickr account with their parents without fear of the drunk party pics accidentally showing up in that space.

Flickr does a pretty good job in both spaces though but I think the concept of photos as IP is much stronger than treating conversational text as such. Nobody thinks about licensing in regards to individual tweets.

]]> By: misterjt http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-1/#comment-93486 misterjt Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:20:00 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-93486 Let's also remember that much of flickr's toolset came not out of a desire to protect privacy but out of a desire to protect usage rights and then -- post-yahoo deal -- out of a desire to moderate the community and provide the "safest" space for the widest ranges of users. The family and friends settings help with moderation. The creative commons integration helps with licensing. And, flickr users often alter the usage of the "privacy" settings. Teens and college students who actually have a sense of modesty, often use the family setting for "friends" and keep their most salacious photos, and even then, I think it's less a concern about re-use or re-appearing elsewhere. It's about wanting to share their flickr account with their parents without fear of the drunk party pics accidentally showing up in that space. Flickr does a pretty good job in both spaces though but I think the concept of photos as IP is much stronger than treating conversational text as such. Nobody thinks about licensing in regards to individual tweets. Let's also remember that much of flickr's toolset came not out of a desire to protect privacy but out of a desire to protect usage rights and then — post-yahoo deal — out of a desire to moderate the community and provide the "safest" space for the widest ranges of users. The family and friends settings help with moderation. The creative commons integration helps with licensing. And, flickr users often alter the usage of the "privacy" settings. Teens and college students who actually have a sense of modesty, often use the family setting for "friends" and keep their most salacious photos, and even then, I think it's less a concern about re-use or re-appearing elsewhere. It's about wanting to share their flickr account with their parents without fear of the drunk party pics accidentally showing up in that space.

Flickr does a pretty good job in both spaces though but I think the concept of photos as IP is much stronger than treating conversational text as such. Nobody thinks about licensing in regards to individual tweets.

]]> By: tiffanybbrown http://tiffanybbrown.com/2009/03/23/twitter-privacy-and-informational-self-determination/comment-page-1/#comment-91353 tiffanybbrown Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:08 +0000 http://tiffanybbrown.com/?p=1898#comment-91353 by "remind," i don't necessarily mean "impede." flickr, for example, has a little yellow icon that says "this photo is private." it's one way to say "hey, it's posted here, but this person doesn't want the whole world to see it. please respect that." does that prevent me from ripping it? not one bit. does it stop me though? yes. we have behavioral norms around email discussion lists right? it's an etiquette breach to resend a message to non-members in many communities. why not around SNS? in both cases, it's one-to-many, or limited-group interaction. by "remind," i don't necessarily mean "impede." flickr, for example, has a little yellow icon that says "this photo is private." it's one way to say "hey, it's posted here, but this person doesn't want the whole world to see it. please respect that." does that prevent me from ripping it? not one bit. does it stop me though? yes.

we have behavioral norms around email discussion lists right? it's an etiquette breach to resend a message to non-members in many communities. why not around SNS? in both cases, it's one-to-many, or limited-group interaction.

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