Only in a theistic universe can laws of logic and morality be accounted for, (from the mind of God, as I explained in a previous post), so of course the atheist employ logic and morality every day, because they are created in the image of God.

And because you do use logic, you have a conscience, and are a moral human being, in so doing you give continual evidence of the fact that in your heart of hearts you know you are not an atheist.

Only in a theistic universe can laws of logic and morality be accounted for, (from the mind of God, as I explained in a previous post), so of course the atheist employ logic and morality every day, because they are created in the image of God.

And because you do use logic, you have a conscience, and are a moral human being, in so doing you give continual evidence of the fact that in your heart of hearts you know you are not an atheist.

I’ll point you to Rashid’s comment above, and add that from a practical standpoint, it’s pretty hard to live in a stable society without some sort of rules. If it makes you feel better to believe that they are or need to be God-ordained, knock yourself out.

I’ll point you to Rashid’s comment above, and add that from a practical standpoint, it’s pretty hard to live in a stable society without some sort of rules. If it makes you feel better to believe that they are or need to be God-ordained, knock yourself out.

As for morality, an atheist cannot make a moral claim without an objective moral standard otherwise all morality reduces to subjectivity and your morality, or your moral claims, or your moral assertions or complaints are no more valid than the next guys. As far as inherently knowing right from wrong, yes, all men have the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness as stated in Romans 2:15, but as stated in Romans 1:18 [men suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them].

Because I know that I am created in the image of God, I know that God is the only eternal reasonable being, and I know that because God has made me, that I have the ability to reason according to the laws of logic. Only the Christian world view can explain reality. Does your world view comport to reality, reasonable thinking, uniformity of nature. You can deduce from the word of God the reality of the world. And you could have all these benefits including the salvation of your sinful soul!

As far as your concern about this country being controlled by a theocracy; no way, not as long as “the god of this world” [2 Corinthians 4:4] has a vote anyway.

As for morality, an atheist cannot make a moral claim without an objective moral standard otherwise all morality reduces to subjectivity and your morality, or your moral claims, or your moral assertions or complaints are no more valid than the next guys. As far as inherently knowing right from wrong, yes, all men have the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness as stated in Romans 2:15, but as stated in Romans 1:18 [men suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them].

Because I know that I am created in the image of God, I know that God is the only eternal reasonable being, and I know that because God has made me, that I have the ability to reason according to the laws of logic. Only the Christian world view can explain reality. Does your world view comport to reality, reasonable thinking, uniformity of nature. You can deduce from the word of God the reality of the world. And you could have all these benefits including the salvation of your sinful soul!

As far as your concern about this country being controlled by a theocracy; no way, not as long as “the god of this world” [2 Corinthians 4:4] has a vote anyway.

“You are just a product of your environment, governed by nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain.”

Perhaps. But wouldn’t that make you the same? Or does belief in a deity not make it not so?

But perhaps the most pertinent questions for this discussion are:

(a) What do any of your questions have to do with the idea that a particular religion should not be the single guiding force for making laws, especially in a country whose citizens have diverse beliefs? and;

(b) What does that have to do with my contention — based on a fairly extensive track record — that neither Christians nor Americans are above the same racial, ethnic or religious violence that we decry when committed by other countries?

And since it looks like you missed the footnote, I’ll restate my point: Christianists — that is, would-be theocrats whose belief is Christianity — are no less disturbing to me than any other kind of theocrat and we should all be more careful about whom we vote for if we want to avoid a theocracy.

“You are just a product of your environment, governed by nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain.”

Perhaps. But wouldn’t that make you the same? Or does belief in a deity not make it not so?

But perhaps the most pertinent questions for this discussion are:

(a) What do any of your questions have to do with the idea that a particular religion should not be the single guiding force for making laws, especially in a country whose citizens have diverse beliefs? and;

(b) What does that have to do with my contention — based on a fairly extensive track record — that neither Christians nor Americans are above the same racial, ethnic or religious violence that we decry when committed by other countries?

And since it looks like you missed the footnote, I’ll restate my point: Christianists — that is, would-be theocrats whose belief is Christianity — are no less disturbing to me than any other kind of theocrat and we should all be more careful about whom we vote for if we want to avoid a theocracy.

You are just a product of your environment, governed by nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain. You seem to have made some moral judgments here in your comments also, (good, rights), what is the basis for your morality? Also, you have used reason and logic to make your points here, were does logic, reason, or human dignity come from from the point of view of an atheist?

You are just a product of your environment, governed by nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain. You seem to have made some moral judgments here in your comments also, (good, rights), what is the basis for your morality? Also, you have used reason and logic to make your points here, were does logic, reason, or human dignity come from from the point of view of an atheist?

A lot can be said about the realization of some of these ideals with respect to women and minorities, but one can also contrast the US civil rights movement and women’s suffrage movements against others around the world where citizens tried to get their governments to act right and appreciate the principles upon which this country is built which are actually at odds with theocratic governments which are, by nature, much less more resistant to change.